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Since we put up the Deer in the Yard web page we’ve received thousands of web visits and many e-mails. Most everyone who writes to us simply wishes to express their appreciation and awe at how humans and deer can co-exist.
A few people, however, have wondered about deer who trust us and then too easily trust the deer hunters. I’ll comment on that in a moment. As for the question about flowers, yes, the deer go insane over a fresh flower. Some flowers in the photos are on our balcony, which we keep closed off unless we invite one of the deer up. Then we keep a close eye on the guy.

It’s hard to tell what flowers they won’t eat as different deer have different tastes, but they mostly seem to stay away from rosemary, lavender, daisies, and oleander. We keep a fence around the apple tree and only let them eat the apples that fall off. As for pooping on the lawn, our deer are nice enough to go into the woods for that. Maybe they don’t want to mess up the clover.

As for deer and hunters, we thank you for your concern. Fortunately hunting is not allowed in our area. Even though rather remote, there are houses dotting the landscape, and I think hunting would be dangerous to the humans. However, with all respect to those people who posed the question, I have to say that I believe the idea of deer endangered by friendship with humans is a specious complaint. Deer suffer far more from people driving too fast. The idea that a deer we befriend would then trust a hunter and walk right into his gun sight seems unlikely to me. I understand how people could think that, but if you know deer well, and understand something about the hunter’s perspective, the whole concern seems misplaced.

I know people love to hunt deer, eat their reportedly tasty flesh, and display their mounted heads on the living room wall. Those lovely heads, severed and then frozen in death on a wall – that’s always given me the creeps. But as for hunting and eating, I have to be reasonable and understand that people have been hunting deer for as long as deer and people have lived together. I’m admittedly more on the side of the deer, especially since we are vegetarians. We’ve sometimes thought that being strict vegetarians has something to do with them liking us. It’s not outside the realm of possibility that they sense we don’t eat them, or any other meat. I wouldn’t be surprised if they can smell that on our skin. All that means nothing to a clever hunter, however. Deer are plentiful, and follow strict migration patterns. It may not be easy for a hunter to kill a deer just by walking into the woods, but really, when it comes to human against deer, well, let’s just say you don’t see a lot of human heads stuffed and hanging on trees in the wild.

As I mentioned on the web page, our home was their migration area long before we came, and we were surprised that they befriended us at all. However we figured out that it has a LOT to do with our attitude and manner, and as I said, perhaps even that our diet is not so different from theirs. In a curious way, I see a parallel between our manner with the deer and our style of music. Truthfully, they seem to be far smarter than we could have imagined. When a stranger comes near they look to us to see our reaction, and even then they are very careful, usually running into the woods that surround our house. If we are in the house where they can’t see us, they don’t seem to trust others at all, and are gone in a second when they hear something threatening. They have remarkable hearing. Often we are hanging out with them and long before we do, they will hear a dog or a person walking nearby. They all freeze for a moment to listen carefully, and then they usually disappear into the woods, often faster than we can follow their movements. Even while running they are completely silent, and their coats blend perfectly into the color and shading of the woods. I’m in the back yard sometimes and some time later I notice a couple deer only 20 feet away, laying down, casually rechewing their food. If I wasn’t so curious and observant, I never would have seen the guys.

Maybe our deer are smarter than others. I don’t know, but I doubt it. I believe they have a highly developed sensitivity to their environment. We have a neighbor not too far away who told us that the deer come to her property to die when they get old. It’s uncanny, like the fabled elephant burial grounds. She says the very old deer slowly come to her land around her house, lay down and pass away. There’s a long native American tradition in this area that, because we still have a few native Americans, may contribute to the respect the deer feel from us. This is all conjecture, but since we moved into their area, instead of them moving here because of overpopulation, like in many suburban areas, we always felt it was their choice to befriend us. We don’t go out of our way to attract them, aside from being nice, and giving them head and back massages that they seem to love. We planted clover on the lawn, initially for our pleasure, but it turns out they love clover more than we do. It is illegal to build fences in our area, precisely so the wild animals can roam freely.

As I say, only a few people have wondered about how our friendliness may make deer more susceptible to hunters. I appreciate the motivation behind the concern, and not to specifically accuse the folks who wrote, but I wonder about people who speak out about protecting animals, and yet regularly eat meat. I’m just guessing this is the case many times. The following is part of my belief system – I think the way most people eat meat, and most especially the way we factory grow animals for slaughter, is not only morally reprehensible in regards to our treatment of animals, but with chemicals and hormones pumped into our “food,” the enormous amount of water and feed required to raise “animal products,” the mountains of animal waste in feces, blood and guts that regularly gets dumped into the ground and unwisely used for fertilizer, as well as the cost to our health to eat far more meat and fat than humans seem designed to process (did you know it takes 10 pounds of feed to produce one pound of meat? Assuming politcians and corporations had a sense of morality, couldn’t we help to feed the starving humans in the world if we all stopped eating meat or simply ate less?), all this seems to me to be a far greater problem than a hypothetical dumb deer befriending a hunter. As I said, I don’t think they are that dumb anyway. It’s true that they have a poor appreciation for technology, and as their eyesight is not their most developed sense, they do have a problem understanding an oncoming car traveling at a speed nearly unheard of in the animal world. Shouldn’t we be more concerned about how we rampently run them over, but more importantly how we shoot them for fun, and so often carelessly pollute their environment?

Perhaps I have a naive optimism about the world, but I strongly believe that our intentions and actions resonate far wider than most people, even mainstream scientists, currently believe possible. Our small contact with one extended deer family seems like a useful experiment in regaining some kind of balance between humans and the Nature that we have all too often forgotten we are but one part.

Addendum

In just a recent one month period the Deer in the Yard web page received over 225,000 visits. We have received hundreds of e-mails (please excuse us if we don’t write everyone back). We have been ridiculed on at least one hunter’s website, and a magazine in New Zealand asked for permission to republish the site in print form. While the vast majority of e-mails have been supportive and even in awe of our relationship to these mostly gentle creatures, some people have accused us of hurting the deer by convincing them that humans can be trusted. Our response has generally been that the deer are not as dumb as people think, and I believe our experience with them demonstrates that. After years of living here, they don’t seem any more trusting of humans than they were when we arrived. Despite the photographs, they still are very easily startled by any strange movement we may make, and they continue to totally mistrust strangers. Some people will continue to disbelieve this, and many hunters will probably still continue to think our behavior is laughable. I don’t blame the hunters for hunting. I do wish they all had the same respect for the animals they kill that Native Americans reputedly had. It has surprised me as to how many devout Christians have seen our actions as proof that humans can so “love all God’s creatures” and at the same time in such large numbers complain about their own presumably “Christian” neighbors who seem to find delight in killing deer only for sport. There seems to be a real disconnect in America over love and death. In describing Eros and Thanatos, psychologists and philosophers have made revealing pronouncements about humans that I encourage people to look up.

Just to make a few points clear: We did not build this house on the deer’s home. We moved into a 20 year old house that the deer are now quite used to. That humans have done this all over the planet may suggest that it is time we consider moving some of us to other planets. Before the critics make fun of me for that last comment, let me just say that I believe it to be hubris and ignorance to think evolution has stopped with the current state of humanity. Again, look it up. We used to give the deer an almond or two from time to time, but especially because we stopped the rare treat, I believe they really come to us because we are nice to them and our yard offers water, edible vegetation and a safe environment. They also peacefully visit other homes in our neighborhood. We are amused about the idea that they most likely have different names when they arrive at someone else’s home. One person wrote and told us that deer are simply rats with long legs. I realize that increases in deer population has caused a strain on the environment, but I have great concerns about how people are so quick to point their fingers at Nature, deer in this case, without acknowledging the “human rats” who so ignore the consequences of greed and environmental irresponsibility. I would think the hunters would be the first to want to protect the environment. I’m heartened by those few who wrote us with that very thought in mind. Oh, and yes, we know that deer are called “does” and “bucks.” There seems to be some confusion over us calling one deer “Ram.” We named him after Rama, the Hindu god who is often also called simply Ram.

I encourage people to look around our site, especially the Multiverse page, as I do agree that our ideas are indeed strange, but these ideas are largely based on either Eastern philosophy thousands of years old and mostly unfamiliar in the West, or science so new that even many scientists are reluctant to travel from the mainstream in order to explore it. There is such a thing as neophobia, fear of the new. I believe that if we do not overcome that fear, humanity may not survive. I truly feel sorry for those who delight in making fun of us, or worse.

Clearly the enormous interest in this subject and the comments we’ve received suggests evidence of both great compassion as well as great ignorance. We don’t claim to be the final authorities on the subject of how humans do or should behave with wild creatures. We’ve learned a lot from a variety of well written e-mails. I’ve been shocked at how crass some can be, but also deeply touched by the simple appreciation and good will of others. I never would have thought that our humble tableau would have struck such a deep chord. I pray we all learn something useful.

Letters from visitors to the
Deer in the Yard website

Email 1

Thank you so much for sharing these touching photos and your wonderful layout….the photos and text bring tears to my eyes.

– Sharon

Email 2

As a Penobscot Elder, I love to see scenes such as your pictures which shows that we are all part of the fabric of spiritual connectiveness; only by living a spiritual life can our physical lives touch those of the other creatures of K’chi Newisk (Great Spirit). Thank you for this lesson.

– Watie

Email 3

Wow! Those are the most awesome pics! I wish I had a bunch of deer to hang out with!!! They are so neat! Thanx for blessing me with your pictures!

– C. B.

Email 4

Thank you. Thank you for sharing your “home” with the world. As a hunter, I appreciate the neutral approach you take with your presentation of hunters. Yes, for some it is the thrill of the kill. I thank you for not labeling all hunters as such. I believe those are far and few but presented, at times, as the majority. For others, myself included, it is more about being in the woods than anything else. Again, I thank you for your thoughtful presentation of hunters. Here’s hoping the rest of the world won’t come and try beating a self-righteous path to your door so you might continue to enjoy your little slice of heaven.

– Mike

Email 5

Thank’s to your site I now see those beautiful animal’s in a completely different perspective. I will no longer buy another hunting license EVER.

– Dale

Email 6

I so wish that our news stations could report good news for a change. All we get is doom and gloom…they say it sells. Yours is a good news story which I thoroughly enjoyed. Thank God for the internet. Best to you and yours,

– Pat

Email 7

I’m quite sure that with the flood of emails you must receive, that you will most likely not get to read mine. But I send it to you now, like a message in a bottle, with a hope that something returns. As I write this, I’m planning later today to take my son on his first deer hunt. The season in Massachusetts is almost over, and this is his first year in the wild. The important thing is not that we take, or even see a deer. The important thing is that he learns his place in nature. I think the most wonderful thing I see from your site is not the amazing photos of these deer that you have been blessed with sharing your lives; but rather, it is the openness I see in what you say that compels me to write to you. I expected someone who would bash both hunters, and meat eaters. I was profoundly pleased to find quite the opposite.

I am an American by birth, and of mixed origins. Some of which are Abenaki and Mohawk. I am both proud of my heritage as an American, and a Native American, just as I am of being French Canadian and Irish on my mother’s side! You see who we are comes as much from where we come from, as what we do. And I come from the land, in one way or the other, and I choose to live as part of the land. I’ve long been troubled by the polarity that I see in many issues that tend to divide us as people. The debate on meat vs. vegetarian and hunter vs. anti-hunter is particularly troubling to me. Hunting and fishing are a large part of my heritage, and I find in it a way that I can reconnect to our land. And although taking an animal is not in itself the goal, it is still part of the goal. But it has to be done responsibly, and with reverence and care. My belief in a God requires it.

I see the world not as a straight line, as many western philosophers do. I see the world more a circle, endlessly repeating and rejuvenating. In that creation, in that universe, the unfortunate dichotomy of life is that things consume other things. This is as true for the vegetarian as it is for the carnivore. It is a universe of consumption. I also see that we are not separate from nature. Rather than apart from nature, I see that we are a part of nature. In that circle, we have our place. And for those that choose to eat meat, we need to likewise take responsibility for where that meat comes from. This is my position.

From your website I can (I think) very clearly see and respect your position. I can equally sense that you respect mine. In that, I find hope. I find hope that we (all of us) as a people can some day get along. It’s not the deer, or the hunting, or the differences of opinion. It’s about harmony. There is harmony in living with nature, as part of it. In that great creation there are many roles. You and I play different roles, but they are equally important to that creation. Far too often people of different roles expend valuable energy in trying to prove other perspectives wrong. This cause disharmony and goes against creation. To live in harmony and peace would be to respect and cherish our differences as much as our sameness. In only that way could we become and live like brothers. There will be wars in this world; there will be killings, both animal and human. To live in either extreme is the straight line of polarity that continues to divide us. The harmony of the circle is what we should strive for. When I read your words, I see someone like me, who can value the opinions and beliefs of others. Someone who does not feel that they must prove another wrong to prove themselves right. You very clearly and strongly believe what you believe, and you live your life accordingly. But most important, you leave me space to live mine also. In this, we can be equals, and respect one another. Your simple website about deer in your yard speaks volumes about how we should live our lives. Not by having deer in our yards, but by seeing and respecting others. It is a simple lesson, and I hope more people see it and learn. I did not find a place where (yet again) my life was being attacked. I found a place where all lives seem valued. They say that the greatest gift a person can ever give is hope; I thank you for giving me the hope that there are people of different opinions who can get along and respect each other. I hope that some day more people follow this path. Every December, around the Solstice, I find myself in the woods. I am a hunter, I am of the land, and I thank He who made me for the life I have been given. As I see the sun set on the last day of the winter, I think of this, and I give thanks for those in my life who make me whole. As I see that sun set this year, I will think of you, and offer thanks for you and yours. May whatever God you believe in go with you, and may the light follow you wherever you go.

Email 8

Loved your photos, of course… We’ve had a family of black tail hanging out here at our Mill Valley, CA, property for the last couple of years, since we moved back here… 2 sets of twins. Here’s one of our favorite characters (photos attached)… Faunus, surviving and thriving twin (Mother Flora, Sisiter Fauna disappeared when the babies still had spots). He is now about a year and a half. Many other deer come around… but Faunus is the most approachable, as he was born here and has known us since birth. He likes to have his neck scratched and his ears pulled… It’s such an amazing privilege to have them visit…All the best to you and yours, What fun to see your pictures!

– Kadi and Tom and Faunus

Email 9

As to your thoughts on the deer being able to smell the vegetarians. You are quite correct. I have trained horses all my life and have noticed this very same thing. A horse can tell a vegetarian from another. They have a more relaxed attitude when with vegetarians. I think they can smell the grease and meat in our systems. When smelling this meat and grease smell, they realize that they are in the presence of a possible predator. Have a gooden.

– Chuck

Email 10

I love the fact that you have so many deer around your house. I live in Alabama and my family hunts and eats deer. I don’t think we are barbaric. I respect your decision to be vegetarian and do agree that farm raised animals for food are definately not a healthy choice for humans to eat. That is one reason I am grateful for the deer my family are able to hunt because we use them for food. My brother has even tanned their hides and made his boys deerskin coats. Not all people who hunt these beautiful animals are barbaric and just hunt them for the trophy. I question the sanity of those who hunt for that reason. Also, I have hit and killed one deer with a car, and felt ten times worse about that than all of the ones my dad and brother have hunted. As far as humans avoiding eating meat 100% I believe is personal choice. Sometimes people say that it is wrong to eat meat, but I take my moral standards from the Bible, and in Genisis right after the flood Noah is first told what animals they could eat of. So even God approved in the use of animals for food, but has always frowned on gluttony. You home place is beautiful and the joy you get from being so close to nature has just got to be wonderful. Sincerly,

– Leah

Email 11

Thanks for sharing your sacred experience. I long to live in such an environment. I communicate with animals and have shared friendship with Coyotes, Bobcat, Fox, Deer and almost a young Mountain Lion. Learning recently of my Apache ancestry explained much about my feelings of the land, animals, weather and such. I feel your great appreciation for this experience and thank you for the respect you show it. Be well and say hello to your babies for me.

– Daniel

Email 12

Bis nach Berlin sind die Bilder der Familie, die mit den Rehen lebt gekommen. Sie sind wunderschön. Danke dafür.

– Sybille

Email 13

How wonderful. I was so delighted to see such pictures. I knew there was still good people out there.

– MCC

Email 14

First let me say that your relationship with the deer is natural, just as most creatures on earth have a natural relationship to one another. Hunting is not a natural thing as it is done today. Hunting for food as a necessity as my American native family did was done out of need not sport. We have only survived on this earth because we learn to cohabitate with other life (though that survival is in great peril). Live and enjoy what most of us only wish we could. And thanks for sharing.

– M. Forgie

Email 15

Let me first say that I am a hunter (and Christian in belief) and admittedly love the taste of deer meat. However, I support the aspects of wildlife for many reasons. One is so people may be blessed with the beautiful experience you are able to enjoy. I have bow hunted also and have had deer within inches of myself (face to face) and trust me when I say that I enjoy more and more watching them versus shooting them. As a matter of fact I carry a camera now so I can shoot more often with less injury. I am thankful when I take a deer and do not waste it. I consume what I shoot. Yes I also have a few heads on the wall but I consider that a compliment to the animal I took and am proud to show his majestic antlers. I live in the deep south now and am appalled at some of the attitudes (rednecks are real people just like you and myself included). Please continue to build and update your website and I plan to support your efforts by buying a few items from your store for Christmas. I myself dream of retiring someplace to watch the deer and take only what I need now and then and live as much as possible off of the land as the Indians did, but remembering to be thankful for my blessings. I will now state the fact that I do not agree with the non-feeding of animals. If we improve their forage we improve their ability to overcome sickness and cold winters and perhaps they can live longer and healthier lives. Mostly hunters improve the situation for deer and strive to improve the herds but it is the poacher and non-moral hunter who does give us a bad name. All I can do is bow my head in shame that they are a part of us. Let me finish by saying, I applaud your website, your open mind, and willingness to accept that there are differences in this world without seemingly passing judgment. Please keep up the website!!

– Jerry

Email 16

Hello. I just wanted to say thank you for having such a wonderful website with pictures of your beautiful four-legged friends! Reading your comments and ideas helps me a great deal. I try to be a non-meat-eater (I eat eggs and fish still, so I don’t like to call myself vegetarian), but it is sometimes hard to keep up with it. Although there are now many products that “recreate” the idea of meat without actually using meat, like those veggie burgers and stuff like that, I still sometimes crave a hotdog or some other “mystery meat” product that we are so accustomed to eating. It is especially hard, because people who do eat meat don’t seem to really get the whole idea, and many times you get tempted with meat (very hard to deal with it when you’re hungry) out of the best of intentions. All I really wanted to say is that your site helps me in those times of temptation, because I do believe that animals are soooo much smarter than we can ever imagine, and your experience with the deer confirms that belief. Therefore, I can think back on not only my experiences, but also yours the next time I have to make a decision of “what’s for dinner?” Thank you!!!!

P.S. It is funny when hunters say: “I just like the experience of being in the woods” as their excuse for hunting. Something like “I don’t want to eat the in-humanely raised animals, but would rather eat only what I need and what I can get myself” would sound so much more logical as an explanation for hunting. If you like being in the woods, just be there! Without your gun! Thanks again for listening to my raving.

– Yanina

Email 17

I think I’ve just turned vegetarian.

– Rebecca

Email 18

Thank you all for a lovely experience browsing your website! I’ve been privleged to see a few intimate animal moments in my time, but I’ve never had the joy of being the friend of such a large amount of wild animals. I know they must bring you so much happiness. Thank you, too, for a message of hope. It’s heartening to know that there are others who realize and practice the “what you put out, you get back–in spades” philosophy. Ah, if only human kind could think in harmony. I believe we’d realize that WE are causing the environmental disasters, the unruly “acts of God” are really the result of our own terrible thinking and acts toward each other and our planet. You’re not the only one that believes expansion to other planets is necessary to save the human race. Mr. Stephen Hawking agrees with you! Best wishes,

– Bee

Email 19

As I’ve grown older (and maybe grown up) I’ve increasingly found it harder and harder to kill or partake of Gods creatures. A friend sent me this Deer In The Yard and I’ve not only bookmarked it but sent it on to folks who will appreciate it every bit as much as I. My deepest thanks.

– Rich

Email 20

Thank you for not hoarding your wonderful experiences with these deer, but sharing them instead with the rest of the world. Putting together this website demonstrates that you love humanity as much as you love your deer neighbors. Many, many years ago I hunted deer. I loved being in the forest in the fall, sitting quietly and watching the forest slowly come back to life around me as all the animals resumed their activities once they got used to me being there. Often, whether or not I took a deer mattered little to me. Back then I loved the taste of venison, but I loved the feel of the forest a lot more. I had been told that native Americans used to utter this small prayer before they let their arrows fly: “May you be of service to my children, and I be of service to yours.” That was pretty much the gist of it for me back when I hunted. Now, of course, I take the greatest pleasure in simply being a part of it all – God’s creation, the handiwork of The Great Spirit. Whether it be a deer coming forward for a snack of apples or tobacco (they LOVE tobacco!), or a pod of dolphin playfully indulging their curiosity, I feel blessed in the moment of my good luck. Thank you once more for putting up such lovely photos of our brothers and sisters in the wild.

– Carl

Email 21

I think it is awesome that you can interact with the deer. I think deer are one of the most beautiful animals in the world. Thank you for sharing this page.

– ALTA

Email 22

A friend of mine sent an emailed link to your site. I found the site very inspirational. I am concerned with the narrow-mindedness expressed in some e-mails. A “real hunter” is not after the 10-point trophy buck, but rather, goes hunting to enjoy nature — just as the gentleman named Scott expressed in his email, that he enjoys the camping experience of the hunt. It is a shame that a few bad apples spoil people’s opinion of hunters. Responsible hunters are not the ones bragging about how big a buck they shot, they are not the ones “baiting” the deer, and they are not the ones shooting at anything that moves. My husband hunts, and there have been several years in a row that he has not shot anything because the deer were too small, too big (older, bigger deer have a gamey flavor) or too far away to make a clean shot. He and the boys (we have five) only hunt for what they are actually going to eat and he had instilled that in the boys before they were old enough to even hold a BB gun.

I am not concerned with your extended family walking up to a hunter’s rifle. They have adopted you and seem to view you as a part of their herd. They know you mean them no harm. People don’t appear to realize that nature doesn’t stereotype. We may decide since one person’s actions were unacceptable to us that everyone who is a part of that profession, activity, culture, etc. acts in the same manner — and thus disdain them all. Animals are not like that — the deer trust you, but won’t automatically jump to the conclusion that all humans may be trusted. The same is true with the red squirrels in my yard. The squirrels know I won’t let my dogs or my sons (who love to go squirrel hunting) harm them and I personally can get within about 3-5 feet of them. When anyone else tries to walk near them, they run up the nearest tree.

Your web site is such an inspiration. I hope you continue to enjoy your special relationship with the deer.

-Stephanie

Email 23

I would love to bring a cup of hot tea and sit quietly in your yard for an hour…

– Huzzi